Station clock pouch or dialler pouch

[Funksammler]

Some debate has been going on about wether a certain type of leather pouch was originally used for the early type of telephone dialler or for the station clock.

Both the clock and the dialler fit, but which is it??

The dialler, or "Nummbernscheibenkästchen" was used with pre-war the FF26 and old type 10-line exchange from about 1926 while the station clock in this form was introduced around 1931.

Part of the answer to this question can be found in H.Dv 398 "Gerätverzeichnis Nachrichtengerät - teil 2 fernsprechgerät". This document catalogues all telephone equipment use by the Nachrichtentruppe, including their order numbers, design references and cost. The 1942 issue of this document contains the following entries:

You see listed the "Nummernscheibenkästchen" with a "Tasche"; the Tasche has order code N692. Under that you see the listing for the "StationUhr", again with Tasche N692.

Looking more closely to the entry for the Nummernscheibekästchen you will notice the footnote "Wird nicht mehr beschafft", by 1942 the old style dialler was no longer issued.

The following page lists the various pouches available...

... including a "Tasche für Nummernscheibe und Stationsuhr" with order code N692 to specification 24a C9206 so here the pouch is clearly mentioned as used with both the dialler and the clock.

Certainly by 1942 the dialler was no longer supplied, so by that time the leather pouch was primarily issued as a clock case. A salient detail is the price of 3.85 Reichsmark for the pouch.

It is however most likely that specification 24a C9296 refers to the accepted clock pouch on the left:

Although the right hand pouch is sometimes associated with the dialler it seems more likely that the it pouch was originally designed for the "Zusatzkopfhörer" of WW1 vintage; most pouches have some evidence stitching in one of the corners where a small inner leather loop had been attached for holding the cable of the WW1 headset. Most pouches I have seen do not have WW2 dates or Wa.A stamps, so it may well be that the army supply department simply decided to reissue the surplus WW1 pouches after removal of the loops as dialler/clock pouches as they had no other use for them.

What is certain is that the dialler and clock used the same pouch but what still needs to be resolved is if the reworked WW1 pouches  were used for this purpose. It seems logical but we lack the hard evidence to prove it.

So the  answer to the question what this type of pouch was used for is: possibly neither!

So if you have a suspected clock pouch with belt hook in your collection, post its details (maker marks, dates, Wa.A, colour, inner loop present or removed) on here, perhaps we can discover a pattern and answer the question for good!

[Desert Rat]

Hello Funks,

Brilliant item, thanks for showing us.

.Best to you....Ian

[csmagdo]

Hi All,

here's a piece from my collection in almost mint condition from 1933, it came together with a dialer (also from 1933).

No sign of the internal loop, nor of a belt loop.

Kind regards: Csaba

[Funksammler]

Thanks for posting Csabe, this is a great example of  the the dialler being stored in the "standard" clock/dialler pouch. I am still hoping to see more converted "Zusatzkopfhörer" pouches as well.

[val]

@Funksammler: here's one for you to compare.

https://www.kpemig.de/Zusatzkopfhoerer-zum-Feldfernsprecher-in-Tasche-deutsch-1Weltkrieg

[Desert Rat]

Thanks to you all to see such great items and super images.

The link Val is a great website...Thanks!

Best to you all...Desert Rat / Ian

[csmagdo]

I think every/most/many piece(s) with a trace to the loop presence -and with the belt loop- once was a WK1 Mithörer Tasche, where the internal loop originally was to hold the Ruftrompete.

Removing the loop and using the Tasche to hold a station clock can be one of the reasons why so many WK1 Mithörern are without the pouch...

Here's one of my WK1 sets still holding its original content:

Regards: Csaba

Edited October 18, 2018 by csmagdo

[val]

@csmagdo, can you show that Ruftrompete more closely? Fascinating thing!

[csmagdo]

@val, sure I can, here it comes:

Ok, it was a Witz

At home I'll make some detailed photos and upload them in a couple of days.

This Ruftrompete is actually made for the Swiss WW1 headsets (Mithörer, Zusatshörer,Zweithörer or Kopftelephon), but still S&H and very close to the German Imperial ones.

The K.u.K. Armee used them as well, and the Hungarian Royal Army kept using the 'till the end of the WW2 and some more years.

Regards: Csaba

Edited October 20, 2018 by csmagdo

[val]

3 minutes ago, csmagdo said:

At home I'll make some detailed photos and upload them in a couple of days.

Ok. How loud it is actually?

[csmagdo]

@val, I cannot tell you in dB, but open this video (yes, it is me):

https://rainstorm.org/~celtic/Dunaharaszti 2017.11.04/KisdunaTV.mp4

and jump to 7:00; you will hear it there. The sound is international, the rest in Hungarian  It was a presentation of K.u.K. devices.

Regards: Csaba

[Desert Rat]

Great Video,

Thanks for sharing it with us! Very nice item and super images.

Best to you...Ian

[kriegsfunker]

Here are pics of my dialer and case.   I will take better photos when I get home.

[Desert Rat]

Hello Kriegs,

That is a superb looking timer/ clock....lucky man to find that, super display piece.

Thanks for showing us on MCN...Best to you ....Desert Rat/ Ian

[funk44]

Hello, what was the ruftrompete for?

[Desert Rat]

Hello Funks,

Just had a look for - ruftrompete -and it translates - Ringer Trumpet

So it sounds like an alarm bell that amplifies the sound when ringing.....so maybe you can hear it ring while enclosed in the case, if during travel or some distance away?

Best to you....Desert Rat

[funk44]

Thank you for that answer.